I adore Fred “God Hates F*gs” Phelps

Following is a video taken at ComicCon 2010 at which folks from the Westboro Baptist Church were protesting the notion of the ComicCon folks worshiping false idols, and then a huge group of geeks protesting the protest.

Other than the liberal, oft ironic use of “f*g” by the geeks, I think it’s an awesome video. I felt a jolt of glee as the WBC folks threw in the towel and took off. But, in all honesty, I completely support both the geeks and the WBC. Sure, I don’t like what the WBC has to say, but I absolutely support their right to say it. And yes, even if that means picketing soldiers’ funerals. Would I want a loved one’s funeral picketed? Absolutely not. But, if the hypothetical picket is happening on public land and not in my personal space, I ethically have no issue with it.

Now to the title. I know everyone hates Fred Phelps and his cult family/church. I understand why. And I both agree and am glad for the WBC. For, as Brian Fleming pointed out in his film The God Who Wasn’t There, Phelps, and everyone like him, is right.

God DOES fucking hate f*gs!!

“Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

Sure, the modern, so-called left-leaning Christian argues that it’s not the homosexual, but rather the behavior that god hates; however, if we’re to be intellectually honest, we’ll admit that given the fact that homosexuality is genetic and therefore not a choice, it is in fact not the behavior, but rather the person whom god hates. Why a god would hate people based on the petty notion of where they choose to put their genitalia, I have no idea, but that’s just 1 of many reasons why I don’t believe any of this BULLSHIT.

Other arguments against 18:22 have been that it’s not meant to be taken literally, it’s taken out of context, that’s not what it really means, and it no longer applies since Jesus sacrificed himself. My big question to all that is, how the fuck do you know? The answer is people deal with the passage in any way they can to justify not only the passage (because it can’t, you know, be WRONG), but also their own personal beliefs.

Lemme give you an example. I met a gay Christian a few months ago who was all about uniting gay Christians against those pesky, conservative assholes or some shit.

Gay Christian.

Exactly. I know that being gay and Christian is no anomaly. But it still fucks with my head. I wanted to ask him, “Um, have you read Leviticus? Do you understand what it means? Because it seems pretty clear to me.” Of course I said nothing as to bring up the obvious would’ve been considered impolite, but I really wanted to know. How the fuck does he rationalize this? The book and faith he worships directly tell him that god hates him. And yet he actively promotes them anyway.

The biggest reason I adore Freddy is that he’s honest. He walks his talk. The Bible is not pleasant and he shows it. It says some nasty, horrible things, and rather than shy away from that, he shoves it in our faces and tells us that yes, according to the Bible, we’re either f*gs or f*g-enablers and for that, we’re going to Hell. He doesn’t do any post-modern, liberal pussy-footing and cherry-picking. He doesn’t make any excuses. He says, “This is what the book says. If you don’t like it, too bad.”

And I love that he pickets funerals, abortion clinics, ComicCons, etc. He sincerely believes that the world is going to burn and he has a solution. I mean, honestly, if you had similar information, wouldn’t you want to share it with everyone? Let’s pretend it’s information on AIDS before AIDS was a recognized epidemic. If, in the mid-70s, I’d found a book (and for the sake of argument, a fact-based book) that told me of a sexually transmitted disease that would eventually kill millions upon millions of people, especially in developing nations and all people really had to do to protect themselves was use condoms, I’d be in the streets too. Of course, no one would believe me, but I’d still have a sense of obligation to warn everybody.

Know what else is awesome? Phelps was a fucking civil rights attorney!

Oh yeah.

He fought for blacks way before it was cool. He fought Jim Crow! In fact, he’s won some awards for it. From the NAACP! I know! Doesn’t that suck?! You want to hate the guy for telling the truth about what the Bible says, and yet he’s actually done some quantifiable, recognizable good! In fact, he was doing that good when current establishment, like, oh, I dunno, the fucking DEMOCRATIC PARTY, was ignoring and pissing on blacks!

Let’s be honest for a sec. Phelps doesn’t “warn” people because he cares. If that were the case, he could be a lot less abrasive and invasive about it. He wants/likes attention. He wants/likes to rub people the wrong way. But then, how would we have him do it? Go door to door, knock politely, and ask even more politely if we’ve received Jesus? Hell of a lot of good that does. We all ignore those people. But picketing soldiers’ funerals. That gets him on the news and talked about. Shit, he pulled the Matthew Shepard stuff ten years ago and I’m still writing about him now.

As despicable as we find him, so, too, should we find the book and the faiths built around it. For it is not Fred who’s despicable. It is the word he preaches. Think about that the next time you, the believer, or your friend, the believer, shrugs off Leviticus or any other verse as “figurative” or “not applicable” or “not meant to be taken literally.”

As long as god hates f*gs and as long as you follow god, you hate f*gs too. Or in the very least, you don’t stand in the way.

9 Responses to “I adore Fred “God Hates F*gs” Phelps”

  1. Leviticus 18:22 doesnt condemn sexual acts done between 2 gay man…. hence the verse reads like this… “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:”
    A man must not lie with a man, in the exact same way, the SAME MAN lies with woman.
    No gay man in history lies with both man and woman, but due to the pressure from the fucking church, they sleep with woman, but some of them secretly have sex with even men. This is what “abomination” is described in this verse.
    On the other hand if we read the compete chapter of Leviticus 18, we will see that verse 22 is not a random suggestion but it follows a context. Verse 21 says “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.”. the next verse (verse 22) states that a man must not have sex with man as the SAME man has sex with woman.
    Leviticus 18:22 is a verse connected to the verse 21…. the idol worshiping of molech!
    In those times, it was a common ritual that the shrine priests would have sex with HETEROSEXUAL men to give their sperm as a sacrifice to MOLECH! So the verse 22 forbids the heterosexual men of those times to have sex with the priests and give their sperm as a sacrifice to Molech. Hence the verse says “and Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”- Stating that a man must not lie with a man, in the same way the SAME Man lies with woman.
    The word abomination literally means “RITUALLY UNCLEAN”.
    Hence the verse doesnt condemn Homosexual acts between 2 GAY man (who never have sex with women) but condemns the sexual acts that a heterosexual man has with a priest to give give his sperm as a sacrifice to Molech
    Love is never condemn by God, whether its between a man and a man or a man and a woman.
    Its never about who u love, But HOW U LOVE!!!
    God Bless u all!

    • Anton A. Hill Says:

      Hey Subhanker,

      Thanks for dropping by! And sorry for the delay.

      “A man must not lie with a man, in the exact same way, the SAME MAN lies with woman.
      No gay man in history lies with both man and woman, but due to the pressure from the fucking church, they sleep with woman, but some of them secretly have sex with even men. This is what ‘abomination’ is described in this verse.”

      First, I don’t know where you’re getting the “SAME” business because it doesn’t say that. That’s your interpretation, and I’d love for you to prove to me how your interpretation is any more valid than any other’s.

      Second, gay men very often “lie” with women, so, so much for that point.

      Third, there are men who consider themselves bi-sexual and so lie actively with both men and women.

      Fourth, you’re making a claim on what “abomination” is and, even though the dictionary doesn’t describe what you’re asserting about it, you’ve come up with an interesting interpretation. Problem is, that’s all it is. Interpretation.

      “On the other hand if we read the compete chapter of Leviticus 18, we will see that verse 22 is not a random suggestion but it follows a context. Verse 21 says “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.”. the next verse (verse 22) states that a man must not have sex with man as the SAME man has sex with woman.
      Leviticus 18:22 is a verse connected to the verse 21…. the idol worshiping of molech!”

      So what? It’s still a list of arbitrary instructions, one of which condemns gay sex as an abomination. There may be a degree of internal consistency, what with the whole cleanliness issue, but that doesn’t change the fact that God says gay = bad.

      “In those times, it was a common ritual that the shrine priests would have sex with HETEROSEXUAL men to give their sperm as a sacrifice to MOLECH! So the verse 22 forbids the heterosexual men of those times to have sex with the priests and give their sperm as a sacrifice to Molech. ”

      I understand that there has been demonstrated historical context for this. That’s irrelevant. God never says “Oh, by the way, this is only applicable under certain ceremonial conditions. You don’t have to worry about it outside of those circumstances.” He says gay = abomination. There is no further clarification. Any that you find you’ve added.

      “The word abomination literally means ‘RITUALLY UNCLEAN’.”

      This is from etymonline.com:

      “abomination
      early 14c., “abominable thing or action; late 14c., ‘feeling of disgust, hatred, loathing,’ from O.Fr. abominacion ‘abomination, horror, repugnance, disgust’ (13c.), from L. abominationem (nom. abominatio) ‘abomination,’ noun of action from pp. stem of abominari ‘shun as an ill omen,’ from ab- ‘off, away from’ + omin-, stem of omen (see omen). Meaning intensified by folk etymology derivation from L. ab homine ‘away from man,’ thus ‘beastly.'”

      Hmmm. Nothing in there about “ritually unclean” literal or otherwise. Looks like more interpretation on your part.

      But let’s pretend that you’re 100% right on this. Again, so what? God couldn’t be bothered to clarify that these interactions were only intended for the priestly class and wouldn’t apply for millennia to come? What, was he too busy the day he dictated to Moses to make this clear? Seems an odd expectation from an omnipotent god.

      “Love is never condemn by God, whether its between a man and a man or a man and a woman.
      Its never about who u love, But HOW U LOVE!!!
      God Bless u all!”

      Yeah, you haven’t sold me on that. There are later verses that tell us we should kill gay people and disobedient children. How is either of those acts loving? How about the slaughter of cities or the world?

      Who vs. how one loves is your interpretation. Prove that that’s what God thinks.

      Best,

      Anton.

  2. Homosexuality is condemned in both the old and new testaments. Fred Phelps and Westboro BC take this to extremes. Jesus died for homosexuals to be set free and there are a lot of them. The first step to being healed of your problem is admitting that you have one. Homosexual pride parades are the opposite of this, much like a mother who wants an abortion glorifies in the laws being changed to let her murder her unborn child. It’s sin in both cases.

    • How do Fred Phelps and his family/church take God’s commands to extremes? What’s extreme about trying to save people from their sin by any means necessary? Are you saying that homosexuality is a problem? If it’s such a problem, why did God make it happen?

      What law was changed to let women get abortions? Why does God have a problem with murdering unborn children, but he himself murdered babies?

    • The OT condemns quite a few things I’m sure you do every day. Check the label on your slacks:

      http://leviticusbans.tumblr.com/post/23730370413/76-things-banned-in-leviticus

      The NT says you should abandon your family to prepare for the Kingdom of Heaven. The NT says it’s effectively impossible for rich people to go to heaven. You on board with all of that?

      American Christians of every single sort are “cherry pickers.”

  3. Well, I can see you take Leviticus 18:22 seriously. What about the rest of it? I guarantee you’re a hypocrite.

    http://leviticusbans.tumblr.com/post/23730370413/76-things-banned-in-leviticus

    • Maybe you haven’t noticed the title of the site. It’s Atheist Asshole, not Leviticus Rocks Asshole. What I love about Phelps is he’s honest. So how am I a hypocrite?

  4. Never mind yo. Your tone gave me the wrong impression about this post.

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