The notion of the existence of an historical Jesus is bullshit!

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But don’t take my word for it. Here’s some evidence (Did a historical Jesus Exist? by Jim Walker) from a great site my friend recommended. NoBeliefs dot com. It’s also linked in the Atheist Resources page.

Some choice bits:

“No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.”

“Even in antiquity people like Origen and Eusebius raised doubts about the authenticity of other books in the New Testament such as Hebrews, James, John 2 & 3, Peter 2, Jude, and Revelation. Martin Luther rejected the Epistle of James calling it worthless and an ‘epistle of straw’ and questioned Jude, Hebrews and the Apocalypse in Revelation. Nevertheless, all New Testament writings came well after the alleged death of Jesus from unknown authors (with the possible exception of Paul, although still after the alleged death).”

“Virtually all other claims of Jesus come from sources outside of Christian writings. Devastating to the claims of Christians, however, comes from the fact that all of these accounts come from authors who lived after the alleged life of Jesus. Since they did not live during the time of the hypothetical Jesus, none of their accounts serve as eyewitness evidence.”

11 Responses to “The notion of the existence of an historical Jesus is bullshit!”

    • Imabeliever Says:

      First of all, how easy is it to say someone 2000 thousand years ago didnt exist.Big bang didnt happen or home erectus man didnt exist either right??Do your research before you come to your intelligent conclusion…Here I m going to have you use your left side of your brain, now,,All historians agree he did Exist, ok not all people wrote, lack of education or material or time..Here we have a man who did nothing bad but help people teach say great intelligent sayings.Many say bought back Lazaruz Jesus friend from the dead after dying 3 days earlier…Because of his good deeds and claiming to be the Son of God, the Jews were threatened and angry and coerced the Romans to die.Pontious Pilate did not want to kill him, tried beatings at first buy Jews wanted death.Pontious Pilate asked him all he had to do was renounce his being the King of the Jews and hed let Jesus go, what man wouldnt take that deal and never return, unless you are the son of God or crazy. No writings ever described Jesus as insane or a scammer trying to collect money or merchandise, think about that..Ok me being a scientific guy I looked into this way more than obviously you did, Did you know they found official old Roman coins minted by Pontious Pilate reign, with his name on them ??In official Roman govrnment papers Pontious wrote to Tberious how he crucified Jesus and about Jesus s miracles.
      Tacitus was a Roman Historian senator who reffered to Christ his executionby Pilate , about his works,in the book of Annals chapter 44.Scholars consider this authentic of all historical value.Tacitus had no sympathy to the Christians so he wasnt one!
      Josephus 1st century Roman Jew historian referred to Jesus and Origins of Christianity, in Abou 93-94 A.D. In books 18 and 20.of books Testominuim Flavianum Book 18., his crucifixion and his contemporaries calling him Messiah . Jesus was called Christ…
      Next was Mara stoic philosopher from Roman provine of Syria, 73 A.D. wrote a letter to his son about Jesus s crucifixion., about unjust treatmenty of 3 wise men, murder of Socrates, burning of Pytogoras and execution of Christ King of Jews….He may have been a Pagan….
      Scholars agree Pauls 7 letters are authentic, ,Scholars also agree his Baptism was actual.

      Ok after you absorb all that ,,, crucificions were common back then, but none of a man whipped, beaten and wearing a thorned crown., except Jesus.And why dont you study the Shroud of Turin, that has his image radiographically left on it.Ok 1st off actual blood was tested and was real, 2nd pollen on it placed it in Bethlahem.and at the time of his existance. The group of scientists back in the 1988 were perplexed by the shroud not knowing how thje image was done, and their carbon dating set the shroud to be from 1300. They all couldnt agree, it maybe was contaminated, or it had been repaired from the fires..etc..OK Now just recently the Italys University of Padua retested the shroud USING NEW radiation intesity tests and CONCLUDED IT WAS FROM 280 B.C. TO 220 A.D.
      HECK OF A COINCEDENCE!!! And they say it was Impossible to replicate that image back then .They wouldve needed a powerful radiation /xray machine, and I happen to have been an xray tech and am familiar with how it works.Lastly after a close relative of mine past on , I saw a tall dark skin and bearded man told me not to worry he and No kidding the same exact face. No religious freak here , but all this changed my mind, so before you call this crap or B.S. Do research….Dinasours existed too…

      • Of course it’s easy to deny existence. That’s not the point, though. The point is that claims are made of Jesus without evidence. Claims are made of the Big Bang, sure, but there’s evidence to back them up. I did my research and it included your citation of Josephus. No, not all historians agree that Jesus existed. That’s simply not true. But let’s pretend that literally every historian who ever lived believed that Jesus existed. That doesn’t matter. All that matters is the evidence and currently no one can point to any irrefutable, extra-biblical evidence for Jesus. What’s your point in your brief retelling of the Jesus narrative?

        I’m aware of evidence of Pilate’s existence. How does that prove Jesus’ existence? Which “official Roman” papers are you citing? Did you see them in a museum? How did you come to know about them? How would Pilate have written about Jesus’ miracles if Pilate himself had not seen them? If he wrote about hearing about them, that’s hearsay.

        How does Tacitus’ mention of Jesus equal evidence of Jesus’ existence? I’ve read Josephus and what he said. He mentions those who believe in a “Chrestus.” Josephus himself never met Jesus nor did he know anyone who did. A mention of a person doesn’t equal evidence of that person’s existence.

        How is mara’s mention of Jesus evidence of Jesus’ existence?

        So what Paul’s letters were authentic? How does that prove anything? How would scholars know anything about his baptism and what does that prove?

        How do you know any of the Jesus narrative is factual? How do you know the shroud is authentic? That’s an awfully wide rage of dates for the shroud.

        What are you claiming of your vision? What do you mean it changed your mind?

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  2. The chance that the mythical/biblical Jesus existed is, of course, impressionably miniature. However, as in the case with such characters as Odysseus, it is likely that the mythical Jesus had an objectively existent prototype, maybe a group of individuals. The silence of the contemporary historians is highly suspicious. The Jesus stories were obviously embellished by elements from all the other myths about solar life-death-rebirth deities: virgin birth, December 25th, star in the East, 12 disciples (or the 12 constellations of the Zodiac), the crucifixion, resurrection on the third day, the Southern Cross, vernal equinox, all the Piscean fish symbolism, all the solar metaphors and allegories. On the other hand, some parts were bent to fit the Jewish Messianic expectations, especially in Matthew.

  3. You can see the mumbo jumbo in the name itself. The Christian Testament was written in Koine Greek. Greek for Jesus is Ἰησοῦς, which in isopsephy is 888.

    “Geometrically, Jesus is represented as a circle with the same circumference as his name. Whether Jesus existed or not, the earliest Christians, who were most likely Gnostics, made a mathematical metaphor out of the claim that he ‘rose’ from the dead by ‘raising’ his living value (888) by a factor of 10 and making a circle with a circumference of 8880 units to depict the ‘raised’ Jesus.”

    “Enclosing the ‘raised Jesus’ inside a square creates a graph which is a metaphor for ‘the Kingdom of God.’ Circles having circumferences equal to the gematria values of Jesus, his apostles, and other objects can then be drawn to scale inside the ‘Kingdom.’”

    Adding a zero to Jesus’ living value raises him mathematically. “And how is it written that regarding the Son of Man that he should suffer many things and be set at zero?” — Mark 9:12.

    • Anton A. Hill Says:

      Hey Mark,

      That’s interesting stuff. Almost sounds like that movie Zeitgeist. The thing about this stuff, though, is that I see very little evidence to demonstrate most of it. In the end, it’s all just kind of “yeah, that’s neat.”

  4. Imabeliever Says:

    Oh and since man was the worst creture on this planet leave it to him to be scared , evil , and kill a kind , helpful , forgiving , intelligent man who was the saviour…..Plausible….Jesus, AND PUTTING Christians to the lions, assasinating Lincoln, Kennedys, Luther Kings, Ghandi, People can be greedy, evil , uncaring, if the police didnt exist thered be looting, robbing, stealing and more killings..and many would be by Atheists….Agnostics….Think about it…

    • I’m not sure what your point is here. That bad things happen? No denial here. That atheists and agnostics commit some of those bad things? Again, no denial. So what?

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